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Are there still Young Conservatives stupid enough to be Young Conservatives?

2008-11-10T03:05:14Z

Not too many posts from Young Conservatives in this tribe as of late.

Wonder why?

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PLEASE JOIN The Christopher J Smith Show TRIBE!

2008-11-10T03:03:43Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/christopherjsmithshow

It's a Tribe I am sure yall will enjoy!

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George Washington Introduced Marijuana to America

2008-06-16T01:43:30Z

Fact: Marijuana was non-existent to America until our first president began cultivating it for recreational and other purposes.

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the war on drugs

2008-05-25T23:39:53Z

Please check out this new tribe. We would appreciate people of differing opinions. I think this is the correct link, or just browse by title:
http://tribes.tribe.net/warondrugs?_click_path=Application%5Btribe%5D.Tribe%5B828f04de-c699-43b4-b853-2b639fe34786%5D

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Ron Paul - A True Conservative!

2007-12-16T20:35:18Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIivoqLbeeg

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something for this tribe because it's been quiet....

2007-08-20T20:11:55Z

I am totally amused at the Bush followers. Especially amused at their ignorance and living in a state of denial.

Most of them don’t even know what the big picture is.

I'll give you some examples of what most Bush followers didn’t know or want to believe.

Besides this OOPS Cheney shooting, there is the OOPS no WMD's OOPS. There is the Bin Laden OOPS. there is the "Cant imagine people would fly planes into buildings." OOPS.
The Katrina OOPS. There is the Jack Abramoff OOPS and so on and so on.

There will be more OOPS to follow with this Cheney shooting. Say for example:

"White House Finds Humor in Hunting Mishap"
www.forbes.com/work/feeds...525155.html
OOPS.

The Jack Abramoff OOPS which by the way will be connected to the Enron OOPS, Harry Whittington connected to Jack Abramoff , Kenny Lay and Haliburton OOPS and so on.

Dont ask me for cites. It will be known shortly.

ok, now here's the total crack up Cheney's name is at the bottom of this wit a Quayle...........

www.newamericancentury.org/stat...s.htm

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

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Yeah

2007-03-21T15:38:23Z

Yeah I just really have the need to yell FUCK BUSH. The scumbag is trying to scam us again. He doesn't believe that he should be held accountable to the people that pay his salary. His flunkies need to testify under oath and for the transcript. If they have nothing to hide then what's the problem with the oath? Oh Wait, "If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?" That sounds like one of their arguments for the Patriot Acts. Dumb ass hypocrites and sheep.

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Lets talk real politics.

2007-02-20T11:50:01Z

Young conservatives are genetically inferior to those such as myself and others of intellectual color.

Any challengers?

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Various Presidential Polls - Ron Paul Vs. Dennis Kucinich and more!

2007-02-12T04:28:14Z

Polls:

Ron Paul Vs. Dennis Kucinich:

http://agonist.org/poll/kucinich_versus_ron_paul_who_do_you_vote_for

Straw Poll:

http://pajamasmedia.com/

Republican Presidential choices 2008:

http://wipoll.com/wipol/?q=node/307

Presidential choices 2008:

http://wipoll.com/wipol/?q=node/308

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JOIN THIS TRIBE!

2007-02-05T08:03:55Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/politicsreligionothers

Just want a beyond heated intelligent political and otherwise debate.

this tribe is not for the meek.
So if you know you are not going to be able to handle it, DONT JOIN!

Ok folks, thanks and let the games begin.

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"State of denial",

2007-01-06T12:00:47Z

why are most republicans like Foley?

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PARTY TIME

2006-11-26T04:08:20Z

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3GBLOX-LuHM&mode=related&search=

it's your party, your legacy and destiny to party with the man who started it all.

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Fists of Glory

2006-11-14T07:19:37Z

With fists of glory
we shall strike down
all those who oppose us
with the iron fist
of rightous rule
in the name of our
power

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Score: Liberals 0, Conservatives 999: The Right-Wing soars on its own!

2006-09-18T08:41:24Z

Come-on, let's all admit the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us god: Liberals, democrats, and the vast majority of uneducated working stiffs have lost America forever. Oh, not for a term or two or three, but from now and forever as America enters the inevitable decline from it’s once great position, just as all societies must do.

Vietnam was scary, fear of death really made people act up, so we won't be showing anymore war deaths on TV. A couple of decades pass, memories fade, Mom and Pop leave their house and small bank account and heck materialism feels good right.

So, 20,000 of our rural and inner city kids over the last couple of years get killed or their limbs blown off in some desert. Somebody has to do the dirty work and they would only be hanging around the streets here or fighting for our great minimum wage jobs at Wal-Mart.

Hey, you have at least two ribbons on your SUV and you write messages to people on Tribes, what else can be asked of busy people?

In ten years, it will be 200,000 killed and injured; but, this is still far less than the big one; you know WWII.

So thank you my dear liberal, democratic, poor, and working for less than $100K per year fellow American’s for allowing the right-wing conservatives to take over every branch of government, the entire mass media spectrum, destroy the public schools, eliminate pensions, reduce working benefits, increase working hours, increase every bill, tax, and debt the masses have to pay.

Now 90% of free Americans can be enslaved and divided against each other in pure hatred; leaving our dear right-wing, conservative, flag-waving, god loving rich white men to sell us all into wage and debt slavery forever. Hey, we even won’t charge their kids an estate tax even though it will only save those with millions and save absolutely nothing for the working man.

Again, we must be honest with ourselves and not ask for something we don’t deserve. The rich white man owns and controls everything of significant value and they do claim to pay most of the taxes. They also have the most god fearing and America loving souls preaching for them everyday, dear sweet loving people like Rush, Ann, Sean, Bill, and others can be heard from every roof top.

Who speaks for the pathetic, apathetic, whining, spoiled, ungrateful liberals, democrats, poor people, people of color, people who don’t agree with Leviticus, people who work for a paycheck; I’ll tell you who – NOBODY and nobody ever really will or they will be cut off from the gravy train and be cast back down with the rest of the filthy lower 90% who clog our streets at rush hour or even worse don’t drive a car or work for a paycheck.

Forget that old worn out phrase, “We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” It has been replaced with:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident: We who control the global financial markets, energy reserves, and mass media hold these truths to be self-evident: That all employees of the corporation and state are created equal; that they are endowed by the Board of Directors and their hired or elected Officers with certain privileges; that among these are a life dedicated to the constant and significant financial growth of the chosen few, filtered and controlled commercial TV, radio and news, cheap alcohol, under nourishing fast foods, Chinese products, and the imaginary pursuit of the American Dream of freedom from the oppression of slavery to debts, low declining wages, and high taxes; that to secure these privileges, governments are controlled by the same men who control the media, corporations, and financial markets, deriving their just powers from the consent of god himself; that whenever any form of disagreement between the chosen few and the masses occur; it is the right of the Board of Directors to use any and all means necessary to crush the dissenting voices and return the system back to maximum return on investment.”
Who needs Social Security? Let the poor old fools who spent every penny they earned at Wal-Mart rot in an early grave.

Who needs Medicare or affordable health care? If you’re sick and don’t have money saved, please die and stop whining?

Who deserves Minimum Wage, Unemployment or Food Stamps or Welfare? If you don’t have a good paying job, it’s because you are either not intelligent or unmotivated and that is your fault or your parents fault; so please do everyone a favor and kill yourself and help clean up the gene pool.

Who cares about Civil Rights or Human Rights? Those ideas died with MLK, X, and JFK. If you don’t like the fact that you are a second class citizen, go get an executive level corporate position or shut-up and sit in the back of the damn bus where you belong.

Who needs an affordable public university education? If you (or your parents) can’t afford to pay for college and $150 text books, you don’t belong in college. Let those who can afford a public education find good jobs managing you at Wal-Mart or McDonalds. Leave the private schools attend to the wealthy and not be disturbed by commoners.

Who cares about the handicapped? If you were born defective or got mangled along the way, it’s your own genetic or stupid fault. Don’t make the rich pay for ramps and make jobs especially for you to do; just go out in the woods and die like all sick animals do.

Who needs Freedom of Speech or Fact based news reporting? You wouldn’t know the truth from a lie anyway because nobody taught you logic or critical thinking skills. Its best that you stay misinformed and kept angry with your neighbors and fellow American’s who are frankly just like you except for the labels they wear.

Who needs clean water, air, and soil? If profit is to be made from polluting inner cities and rural areas, so be it. If you don’t like it you can move to an upper class gated community on a hill in the suburbs. Your home will come with an excellent water filtration system and the best electro-static and ultra-violet air scrubbers and clean soil is available if you want an organic garden. If you can’t afford such a home, how is that anyone else’s problem? You were not born from the right parents, only the chosen few deserve the fruits of society, everyone else is a peasant to be enslaved by the maddening thirst for money and power they can never have.

People get the government and society they deserve – PERIOD. If you are not willing to stop everything you are doing today for the causes required to reverse the things you find totally unacceptable, then you get to die slowly under your own oppression.

Hitler had near total control of the people by creating immense fear of the Jews. Today, the Republican’s have near total control by creating fear of Jews worst enemy (the Arabs). It’s all the same with different labels, except this time they have television with pictures of scary men with turbans shouting “death to America” and shooting guns in the air and of course those bullets could come down on our heads!

It’s a good thing the people are too dumb to think, ah, we have 300 million people that would fight on every corner and a big ocean and a big continent between us, and ah they don’t have anyway to come here and kill all of us, and ah they don’t have anything except ah, most of the oil on earth and ah, we use a lot more oil than anyone else and ah gee we are all screwed if we don’t get their oil soon (or create an alternative) and ah gee the oil companies are making record profits and ah Bush’s family is in the oil business and ah Condoleezza Rice had an Oil Tanker named after her and ah Chaney ran Halliburton, something smells a little oily here.

Thanks again to you liberals, democrats, poor, working, and otherwise not rich white people for laying down and doing nothing while the right-wing republican’s show us the truth. The strong will always kill the meek, so shut-up.

Don’t vote for a third party.

Don’t boycott the big box stores or national chains.

Don’t shut off your TV and radio.

Don’t stop over-indulging in beer, wine, booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fast foods.

Don’t write strong letters to the people you gave control of your government.

Don’t stop buying from companies that overcharge for shoddy products and provide no customer service.

Don’t speak up in public places.

Don’t put signs on your homes or cars.

Don’t object to poor working conditions or reductions in your income or benefits.

Don’t join together with others in peaceful assemblies and marches.

Don’t read any history or learn how to analyze arguments or research facts.

Don’t risk embarrassment by freely and nicely sharing your thoughts and urging others to do the same.

You just keep thinking the evil invisible terrorist is coming to get you and your kids and do exactly what the nice angry shouting men and women on the TV tell you. Remember, the all-knowing, all-loving, god-fearing, family values, right-wing Republican’s will do all your thinking for you.

You just have to get angry at anything that may actually do some good for people in the lower 90% because the people in the top 10% should not have to be forced to share anything they can steal from everyone else, this would be anti-American and totally Communist, Socialist, Nazi, and Satanic.

God Bless America

Converted to Conservatism, so shine my shoes and have a nice day!

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Flash Education /w love

2006-04-23T05:50:42Z

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

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Urgent!!! Please help

2006-04-12T19:39:11Z

I am posting this everywhere I can, Please help us.
There are thousands of good people who could potentially lose their lives very soon.

Since the release of the information on the Sujiatun concentration camp in China, which is reported to do live organ harvesting on Falun Gong practicioners. More people have been stepping forward to reveal information. Recently, a veteran military doctor in the region of Shenyang said that the Sujiatun Concentration camp is just one of 36 such camps. Another camp in Jilin Province referred to as 672-S is said to hold over 120,000 people.

According to the Integrated Committee's announcement, transplant hospitals in China are now telling patients to "come in quickly" to get transplants. Patients are told that matching organs can be found at this time in as short as one or two days. The hospitals are also reported to say that, "it will be difficult after this batch of organs is used up."

We fear that there is going to be a mass execution to “hide the evidence” and get rid of witnesses. PLEASE HELP us, Falun Gong practitioners around the world are requesting an international investigation while there is still time.

This is the US petition, please sign it. It can save someone’s life.
http://www.fofg.org/act/act_petition.php?pid=1

you can also help by going here:
http://publicpetition.unvcc.com/UN/index.php
this is an easy, fill in the blank letter that with a click is automatically
sent to the senators and representatives of your choice
And it would also greatly help us if you would please pass this information on.

Thank you,
Joshua

You can learn more about this at:
The Epoch Times
http://www.theepochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html
Amnesty International
http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/chn-summary-eng
Falun Dafa Information Center
http://www.faluninfo.net/why/index.asp
or, you can ask me any questions you have by sending me a message.

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HELLO, Hello, hello....anyone in here?

2006-01-16T16:54:59Z

Just checkin.

Seems the Young Conservatives have'nt had much to say lately.

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Draft Young Republicans!

2005-10-20T10:59:17Z

How many young supporters of George W. Bush do you know who have been willing to put their life on the line and serve in Iraq? How many Young Republicans? How many College Republicans? How many Young Americans for Freedom? Not too many, I think. Young neo-cons and fundies are, for the most part, spitting images of their heroes Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Wolfowitz, Perle, and Limbaugh. They are chickenhawks. Willing to sacrifice the underclass on the altar of their murderous ideology. But not willing to pick up an M-16 and put their asses at risk. A lot of the right wing trolls who lurk on Tribe are like this.

It would serve them right if Congress could pass a law conscripting every young person who supported Bush, starting with his daughters. That would shore up the military personnel problem. The problem, of course, would be that the armed forces would then be filled with wingnuts.

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George Bush in Hell?

2005-10-10T21:26:46Z

George Bush in Hell
By David Michael Green
Sep 29, 2005 -

You would not want to be George W. Bush right now.

Not that you ever would anyhow, but especially not now. Indeed, there are indications that not even George W. Bush wants to be George W. Bush right now.

That second term in office, the one that just a year or two ago seemed so precious that he was willing to launch a war just to obtain it, now feels like a life sentence. Plans for four years spending political capital now look a lot more like endless months of capital punishment.

The Bush Administration has nowhere to go but down, and that is precisely where it is headed. Poll data show that even members of his solid-to-the-point-of-twelve-step-eligibility base are now deserting him as his job approval ratings plunge like so much Enron stock, lately crashing southward through the forty percent threshold. With almost his entire second term still in front of him, Bush is poised to set new records for presidential unpopularity. That scraping noise you hear? It's the sound of sheepish voters creeping out to the garage late at night, furtively removing "Bush-Cheney 2004" bumperstickers from the back of their SUVs when no one is looking.

Meanwhile, as the scales fall from the eyes of the hoi polloi, even the one constituency which could plausibly make the claim that Bush has been good for America (read: their wallets), is speaking the unspeakable as well. Robert Novak, of all people, wrote a column last week chronicling his experience watching rich Republicans at an Aspen retreat bash the idiocy of Bush administration policies on Iraq, Hurricane Katrina, stem-cell research and more. Perhaps these folks realized when they saw Trent Lott's house go under that Mother Nature doesn't care whether you're rich and well-connected any more than does al Qaeda. You may be on Karl Rove's Rolodex, but now Bush is taking you down and your yacht too, not just forgotten kids from the ghetto who enlisted in the Army as the only alternative to a life of poverty.

Even conservative columnists like David Brooks (though not Novak) are writing articles nowadays accurately describing the changed mood of the American public. Where those powerful currents are heading is unclear, but given the radical right experiment of the present as their point of departure, there would seem to be only two choices. We can either go completely off the deep-end and finally constitute the Fascist Republic of Cheney, or we can turn to the left, toward some semblance of rational policymaking. The latter seems far more likely, especially as America increasingly regains its senses after a long bout of temporary insanity. These are bad bits of news for poor George, but worse yet is that they are only the first signs of the coming apocalypse. The real fun stuff is just around the corner. I'll confess to more than a little schadenfreude as I contemplate the ugly situation staring Republicans officeholders in the face right now. They are tethered to a sinking ship, and have only two lousy options to choose from as November 2006 approaches. One is to stay the course and drown. The other is to start renouncing Bush and his policies, appear to voters as the complete hypocrites and political whores many will prove to be, and then still drown anyhow. Nobody could be more deserving of such a fate, with the possible exception of Democrats like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry who have been even more hypocritical yet in facilitating many of the president's disastrous policies.

Watching these GOP opportunists jump ship will certainly be fun, but the greatest fun awaits the president himself. Bush has now lost everything that once sustained him. That includes 9/11, now safely in the rearview mirror for most Americans. That includes his wartime rally-around-the-flag free pass, as he has failed to capture America's real enemy, while lying about bogus ones to justify an invasion pinning our defense forces down in an endless quagmire. That includes, post-Katrina, the ridiculous frame of Bush as competent leader, and the former reality of the press as frightened presidential waterboys.

And that's the good news for W. The bad news is all the chickens coming home to roost. The economy is anemic and fragile, and yet Bush has played the one card in his deck ostensibly (but never really) intended to remedy the country's economic woes. (Remember during the 2000 campaign when times were flush and tax cuts were the prescription? Remember in 2001 when the economy was in a recession and tax cuts were still the prescription?). In any case, Bush's one-note economic symphony has succeeded in producing precisely the cacophony of disaster that progressive commentators have predicted all along: massive deficits, little or no economic boost, a hemorrhaging of jobs overseas, and a vastly more polarized America of rich, poor and a disappearing middle class.

Another angry chicken, of course, is coming home in the form of devastating storms and a grossly incompetent administration to deal with them. Bush is not entirely responsible for Hurricanes Katrina or Rita, of course, but he is partially responsible for them by his willful ignorance of the global warming issue. And he is more than a little responsible for the carnage and damage done, because of his budget-slashing on preventative structural projects, because of his deployment of needed-at-home Guard forces to Iraq, because of his staffing of the government with completely incompetent crony hacks, and because of his and their astonishingly lame performance in responding to a known crisis. Where I come from, a president who remains on vacation during possibly the worst natural disaster to hit this country, praises his FEMA chief for doing a "heckuva job" when the guy doesn't know what any American with a TV set has known for 24 hours about New Orleans, and then later fires him for poor performance, is a president who should be impeached for those reasons alone.

The other demons awaiting George W. Bush just around the bend are multiple and grim. One of these days (right?), Patrick Fitzgerald is actually going to move on the Treasongate story, and signs suggest that multiple heads will roll within the White House. The political damage will be even worse than the legal, though, as Bush's clean and patriotic image will be smashed beyond repair, as no one will believe that he himself didn't know all along who committed treason by outing an American spy, and as he will likely lose the key magicians who have kept him afloat for five years and more. Oh well. W's loss will be Leavenworth's gain.

And there is more. The Jack Abramoff investigation has now been tied to the White House. There are also presumably an infinite number of other scandals waiting to explode (can you say 'Halliburton'?) should the Democrats capture either branch of Congress next year, not least of which being those concerning the Downing Street Memo revelations. Gas prices are off the charts and home heating bills are supposed to soar this winter. Jobs are disappearing, along with pensions and healthcare coverage, inflation is likely to rise, and voters are surly already.

But, of course, the biggest cross for Bush to bear is the one he built for himself, and thus the most richly deserved. In Iraq, simply put, there are no good options. None for America, that is, but even fewer for George W. Bush.

What can he do?

He can't win. America (or, more accurately, America's oligarchy) is clearly losing the war as it is. It is a fantasy to imagine that, at this late date, more troops could pacify the resistance. But even if that were so the political consequences to Bush, especially given his promise of no draft on his watch, would be devastating and rapid. American public opinion has already turned decisively against the war. Imagine if there were a draft and all the bumper-sticker patriots across the land had to actually make a sacrifice for their president's transparent lies. All hell would break loose, and the Republican Party would be dead for a generation.

He can't lose. The major downside to wrapping yourself in the flag, landing on aircraft carriers, labeling yourself a "war president", and being marketed in an election campaign as the reliable national security choice is that you had better deliver. Egged on by the likes of Cheney, Wolfowitz and Perle, Bush no doubt thought Iraq would be a fine little walk in the park from which he would benefit politically for the rest of his presidency. (Nor, assuming this president possesses anything resembling a conscience, need he have concerned himself with resulting deaths, since he told Pat Robertson "we're not going to have any casualties", and he may have even believed it.) Unfortunately for all concerned - most especially the Iraqis and American soldiers - Bush's presidency would be one very real casualty indeed should he decide to pick up his marbles and leave the arena, and so he will not, no matter the carnage or the futility. Doing so would be effectively admitting that there was no legitimate reason for the war in the first place. Everyone now knows that, of course, but were Bush ever to even hint at it, he would be committing instant political suicide. He can't draw. One option is to find some - any - kind of stability, declare victory and go home, saying we got Saddam, we brought democracy, yada, yada, yada. But how many Americans are now going to be fooled by calling an Iraq ruled by militants of one stripe or another a victory, after all the hooey about fighting for democracy in the Middle East? How many think replacing Saddam with a brutal dictator of another name is worth the price of 2,000 American troops and two or three hundred billion dollars? How many will be convinced that Iraqi women having fewer rights than they did under Saddam Hussein, of all regimes, represents a win for the home team? How many will still be unschooled enough to look at a Iranian-dominated theocracy in Iraq and call that a triumph? Moreover, even these total disasters presume a stability of some sort which may be little short of fantasy at this point. When the Saudi foreign minister goes public with his concerns that Iraq is careening toward civil war, you know you're in deep, and no amount inanities sanctimoniously uttered by Scotty McClellan can keep the truth at bay.

He can't get help. Now there's a good one. Maybe the French have finally seen the light and realized what a mistake they made by not bringing something to the party in 2003, eh? No doubt there's a long queue of countries behind them wanting to commit forces to the farces that are decomposing in the Cradle of Civilization. Luckily for George Bush you can still thumb your nose at the rest of the world and have them come to your rescue afterwards. Just think of what a pickle he would be in if that weren't the case...

He can't divert attention. Time was, a government in trouble at home could throw a little war in some hell-hole abroad and divert public attention away from their domestic or other foreign failures. Kinda like Reagan in Grenada, or the Argentinians in the Malvinas, or Thatcher in the Falklands. Yet, while the American public has managed to massively and repeatedly disappoint still sane observers in recent years, it doesn't appear to be in any mood for more of Mr. Bush's Fun With Foreign Policy antics. Not that the country any longer has the available military force to pull it off anyhow, but it hardly seems that an invasion of Iran right now would have much effect diverting attention from Iraq, even if it could somehow successfully be done, another fantasy in its own right.

In short, George W. Bush is toast, as is the whole regressive conservative movement of which he is but the most egregious exemplar. Not even another 9/11 would be likely to help him, as the security president who fails to provide security is the nothing (but simply failed) president. The demise of the right is now likely be true even if Democrats continue hurtling down their current path toward breaking all world records for political cowardice by a major party. Indeed, the worst of the Democrats may now also be in trouble amongst the base - as well they should be - for their cozy associations with the right, enabling its destructive march to the sea these last years.

It is thus too bad, as we emerge from the nightmare of the last quarter-century, that so many of us lefties are atheists, agnostics or otherwise debauched secular humanists. Not only have we had to suffer the reign of Bad King George here on Earth, we can't even have the satisfaction of knowing that he'll be spending the rest of eternity rotting in Hell.

The good news, though, is that he's already there, and the flames are only beginning to warm him up. Perhaps that is why Time describes the dry heaves of a young staffer who had to breach the fantasy bubble and tell this "cold and snappish" president the unhappy truth about an issue, or the National Enquirer's report that Bush, who according to a family member is "falling apart", is back to drinking.

Thus does a new possible ending to the Bush administration suddenly emerge as a real possibility. Previously, I had assumed that our long national nightmare would be over in one of three ways, either with Bush somehow managing to finish his term, with him being impeached, convicted and run out of Washington, or with him being impeached, convicted and then refusing to leave, precipitating a constitutional crisis and even, possibly, a civil war. Now I see a fourth very real possibility.

It was all fun and games when everybody loved him. When the guy who had failed at everything in life except having the right last name all of a sudden was showing those elitist snobs who was tops after all. When the man with a Texas size inferiority complex got to be adored by millions as if he were some kind of religious icon.

But what if that all changes? What if Diminutive George, just like LBJ before him, can't leave the completely scripted bubble his staff manufactures, just as such set-pieces become increasingly difficult to sustain? What if the Peevish President can't escape - even by going to Crawford or Camp David - the mothers of dead children, the baby-killer taunts, the stinging-because-they're-so-accurate chickenhawk accusations, the calls for his own daughters to go to Iraq, the possibility that everyone was right about him all along when they dismissed him as the family clown? What if all of a sudden, it sucks being president? Why bother, then?

It is clear now that one way the Bush administration might end would be with the president's resignation, in order for him to duck into more tranquil quarters. Who knows, maybe he could spend his days getting tanked in Crawford, not writing another book, or going into exile, perhaps in the south of France.

Of course, a pardon deal would have to be prearranged with Cheney, if they haven't convicted him yet, or with Hastert if they have. And, equally certainly, the resignation would be put down to "the president wanting to spend more time with his family", or some such ludicrous McClellanism, no more or less plausible than the rest of his daily fare. But the truth would be plain for all to see. The frat-boy party-time president who condemns kids less than half his age to the hell of futile battle in support of his lies would himself be deserting as commander-in-chief when the fun part ended. Kinda like he did last time he wore a uniform.

History, it would seem, all too rarely delivers justice. The privileged few go out of this life richer than they came into it, while the poor often leave even poorer, not to mention sooner. Those who commit unspeakable crimes sometimes become presidents or prime ministers, while those who dare speak truthfully of those deeds are crushed owing to the threat posed by their honesty.

Even more rare yet are the cases in which history delivers justice with a deliciously deserved irony. But George Bush has provided us with just such a case. And the very delicious irony is that he is now being undone by a cynical choice he himself made to go to war in Iraq with other people's blood and other people's treasure, for the purpose of enhancing his tenuous self-esteem and the power of his presidency.

Goodbye, George. May you know precisely the rest and precisely the peace someone who would do such a thing deserves.

Copyright (c) 2004 - 2005

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Jokes about liberals?

2005-09-20T13:27:09Z

I have heard entirely too many jokes about Bush, Limbaugh, Cheney and Robertson. I would like to start hearing some jokes about people like Hillary, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, George Soros, Cindy Sheehan, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Barbara Streisand, Kanye West, and others of that ilk.

Got any?

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watching the GOP

2005-09-19T21:14:35Z

Oohh, isn't it all just ever too lovely and glorious; we get to sit in our livings rooms and watch Bush hang himself for another three years!! I love it; the Chrisitan fundamentalist selfish ultracapitalist Conservatives spend thirty years, ever since Goldwater, trying to get one of their candidates in office, they finally do it, and after only five years, he hangs himself and discredits his movement. I am simply roaring with laughter... Iraq is a mess, Social Security Reform is never going to happened, China and Japan have to bankroll this country because ya'll are to stupid to do basic math and realzie deficit spending does not work long-term and does not keep one prepared for eventualities such as Katrina...
Katrina dealt the death-blow to American Conservatism; the gap between rich and poor is more apparent then ever, and Delay and his freaks in the House will have to give up on making the tax cuts permanent, and give up on elimianting the estate tax...
I love it, for three more years, we get to watch this man and his cronies face the consequences of all he has wrought; this is not like owning a baseball team, or an oil company; ya caint just leave when the going gets tough...
Now, noe of this means the democrats will sweep into power; the republicans will likely surive the midterms, but CAPITALISM and PATRIARCHY have failed, they are obsolete paradigms, and this will make both partyies, the constitution as it is, and the world as we have known it, increasingly irrelevant... If nothing else, it should be an interesting ride...

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attention young conservatives!

2005-07-01T23:35:48Z

our great nation needs you. all young conservatives who support the iraq war, please go here http://www.goarmy.com/ and join up immediately to help fight the war on terror. as you know, our military is stretched to the breaking point. only when patriotic conservatives like yourselves join up will we be able to turn the corner, tip the point, and break the back of the foreign terrorists and baathists remnants and dead-enders in that vital outpost of freedom. please join now to serve your nation!

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Schiavo/Tobacco/Downing Street

2005-06-16T20:52:50Z

So, how is everybody feeling?

Bill Frist and his nuclear option imploded...

Terris Schiavo turns out to indeed have been a vegetable without chance of recovery; again, way to go Bill frist and Tom Delay... speciallky Frist with the longdistance dianosis..

Bush at 43% approval...

Downing Street memo proves Bush is a liar...

And a politcal appointee in the Bush admin. lowered the penalty demand for big tobacco. Guess what? HE USED TO WORK FOR RJ REYNOLDS...

Bush fires a former oil industry lobbyist who altered scientific reports on global warming...

I could go on..
I dont see how a sensible, self-respecting individual can still support this party...

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That intullectchul John Kerry

2005-06-11T00:43:16Z

Now, THIS is hilarious! Also in the Boston Globe on 6/7.

http://tinyurl.com/9ysp5

Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's

BOSTON -- Sen. John F. Kerry's grade average at
Yale University was virtually identical to President
Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals
of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during
the 2004 presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got
four Ds his freshman year -- in geology, two history
courses and political science, The Boston Globe
reported Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an
81 his senior year and earned an 89 -- his highest
grade -- in political science as a senior.

"I always told my dad that D stood for distinction,"
Kerry said in a written response to reporters'
questions. He said he has previously acknowledged
focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time,
grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B,
70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was
a failing grade.

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript
showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his
first three years at Yale, and a similar average under
a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology,
history and philosophy. He received one D in his four
years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after
his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the
transcript, which was included in his Navy records.
He gave the Navy permission to release the documents
last month, the Globe reported.

Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968.

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Shock and Awe Documentary

2005-04-17T18:35:05Z

I'm working on a documentary about Iraq and the people who are risking their lives to help the Iraqi's with the birth a new democracy. My POV is that Iraq is a very noble effort. There's way to much criticism and not enough praise for the accomplishments. If you're interested in seeing an on-line version of the film, please email me. I'm also looking for people who can help me get the word our about the film via internet. I'm not to techincally skilled at internet stuff.

Richard Burns
richard_burns@mac.com

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judiciary bashing

2005-04-14T06:10:38Z

here's my question; after Delay and Cornyn's dangerous and inflamatory statements about the "unaccountable, unelected, activist judges", which where a result of the fact that these (mostly republican-appointed) judges did not ruleaccording to conservative dogma, but rather, according to a silly and cumbersome document called the CONSTITUTION..., i have come to wondering:
before becoming house majority leader, did Tommy-boy take a poli-sci 101 class?? was he too busy hunting bugs??

DO THESE IDIOTS NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE JUDICIARY IS supposed TO BE UNACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE AND CONGRESS..... THATS THE WAY IT WAS SET UP....

I can handle disagreement, but the outright stupidty of these people is so scary....

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The scum we are up against

2005-04-13T17:03:53Z

Today 49 freshly trained Iraqis guards were shot execution style alongside a road by insurgents. How are we supposed to set up a government there with that kind of shitty odds?

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Republicans, FUCK YEAH!!

2005-04-13T16:42:04Z

Roll Call:

How many in this class are from the the REAL AMERICA? The Good ol' boys original Southe'n States? All of ya? Ya don't say.......hmm

Here:

Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they
> wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so
> they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to
> keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.
>
> And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal
> Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America?
> The Authentic America. Really?
>
> Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding
> Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what
> you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to
> keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you
> didn't bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do
> you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries
> were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston?
> Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the
> fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?
>
> No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty
> Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real
> American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments.
> Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are
> for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had
> gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a
> little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all
> uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've
> been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.
>
> Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking
> arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies?
> I don't think so. Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it
> means to be American. And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I
> wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.
>
> All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and
> goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley
> Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And
> the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to
> us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp.
> "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to
> have your fucking orange juice.
>
> The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's
> money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that
> get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you
> guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they're red states.
> And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most?
> It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money,
> assholes, it’s fucking our money. What was that Real American Value
> you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self
> reliance: buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.
>
> Let’s talk about those values for a fucking minute. You and your
> Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the
> values over you fucking Real Americans every day of the goddamn
> week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you
> marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s fucking
> Massachusetts, the fucking center of the gay marriage universe. Yes,
> that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to
> the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the
> fucking nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9
> of the 10 lowest divorce rates are fucking blue states, asshole, and
> most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where
> are the highest divorce rates? Care to fucking guess? 10 of the top
> 10 are fucking red-ass we're-so-fucking-moral states. And while
> Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its fucking part.
>
> But two guys making out is going to fucking ruin marriage for you?
> Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you
> little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right?
> I mean you do, right? Cause we fucking get to hear about it every
> goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get
> up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're fucking towers of
> moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us fucking
> Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're
> not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous
> assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the
> Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the fucking Northeast
> Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation?
> It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.
>
> Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing,
> federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou,
> hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.
>
> And no, you can't have your fucking convention in New York next
> time. Fuck off.

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How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)

2005-04-09T19:34:18Z

Good Book

Welcome to the world of Ann Coulter. With her monumental bestsellers Treason, Slander, and High Crimes and Misdemeanors, Coulter has become the most recognized and talked-about conservative intellectual in years —and certainly the most controversial. Now, in How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must), which is sure to ignite impassioned debate, she offers her most comprehensive analysis of the American political scene to date. With incisive reasoning, refreshing candor, and razor-sharp wit, she reveals just why liberals have got it so wrong.

In this powerful and entertaining book, which draws on her weekly columns, Coulter ranges far and wide. No subject is off-limits, and no comment is left unsaid. After all, she writes, "Nothing too extreme can be said about liberals because it's all true." How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must) offers Coulter's unvarnished take on:

The essence of being a liberal: "The absolute conviction that there is one set of rules for you, and another, completely different set of rules for everyone else."
John Kerry: "A reporter asked Kerry, ‘Are you for or against gay marriage?' As usual, his answer was, ‘Yes.' "
Her 9/11 comments: "I am often asked if I still think we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. The answer is: Now more than ever!"
The state of the Democratic Party: "Teddy Kennedy crawls out of Boston Harbor with a quart of Scotch in one pocket and a pair of pantyhose in the other, and Democrats hail him as their party's spiritual leader."
Her philosophy for arguing with liberals: "Tough love, except I don't love them. My ‘tough love' approach is much like the Democrats' ‘middle-class tax cuts' —everything but the last word."
The "Treason Lobby": "Want to make liberals angry? Defend the United States."

In this full-on Coulterpalooza, you'll find the real, uncensored Ann Coulter. A special concluding chapter even includes the pieces that squeamish editors refused to publish —"what you could have read if you lived in a free country," says Coulter. How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must) is a stunning reminder of why Ann Coulter's commentary has achieved must-read status.

"A fluent polemicist with a gift for Menckenesque invective...and she can harness such language to subtle, syllogistic argument." –Washington Post Book World

"Ann Coulter is a trailblazer." –Los Angeles Times Book Review

"She can zing one-liners faster than Zeus can throw lightning bolts." –Kansas City Star

"You know those pundits who bore you to tears trying to balance everyone's point of view? Coulter isn't one." –People

"A great deal of research supports Ms. Coulter's wisecracks." –New York Times

"The conservative movement has found its diva." –Bill Maher

"Ann Coulter is a pundit extraordinaire." –Rush Limbaugh

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The self-destruction of the GOP..

2005-03-31T07:23:19Z

I tyhinkit's great King George II and his court where again selected to implement their disastrous policies for another four years;
giving the GOP power will prove all of the Goldwater-era policies they have been trying to implement swince the sixties to be what they are; attempts to starve the beast and end all new-deal programs and radically redistribute wealth upward... Just like Reagan did...That prick...Of course he had the excuse of being half brain-dead, george is fully conscious while robbing the poor to make the rich richer....
Luckily for the sane and non-selfish, many of Bush his theocraitc leanings are so profoundly at odds with the libertarian rooots of the GOP, that they will likely schism between the process conservatives and the religous conservatives.
Furthermore, giving the republicans control over the entire federal government is day-by-day exposing them as the liars and hypocrits they are:
pro states rights when they are out of power, but all about having the government interfere in the live of some florida woman to score political points with the religious right when in power...
furthermore.. who the hell are the republicans gonna nominate in 2008?
The gop primary electorate is so far to the right of the general election electorate that it will be hard for them to nominate a candidate who can win
Possible candidates:
Mitch Romney; won't get the nomination; pro-choice and from much hated Massachussets..
George Pataki; pro-choice, pro gay rights
Rudy Giuliani, pro choice, pro gay rights....
Condoleezza.. yeah right, like republicans would nominate a black woman...
John McCain; repulbican party establishment will ruin him before they nominate him; thye will never allow a por-election-reform candidate to win the nomination...
That leaves Bill Frist.. who is so boring and so right wing i doubt he will win the GE...

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The Attack

2004-11-02T06:29:52Z

BIN LADEN'S OWN WORDS

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1404

I don't care who your voting for you should look at what Bin Laden was saying.

Did you notice the Micheal Moore reference about Bush, "It appeared to him that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers."

Did you notice the statement of attacks against states that voted for Bush? "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

Here is the translation from Middle East Research Institute:

******

To the American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its reasons and its consequences. . . . I tell you: Security is an important element of human life, and free people do not give up their security. Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example.

It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones. We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Even as you enter the fourth year after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush is still misleading and deluding you and hiding the real reason from you. Consequently, there are still reasons to repeat what happened. I will tell you about the reasons behind these attacks and will tell you the truth about the moments during which the decision was made, for you to contemplate.

God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind. The incidents that affected me directly go back to 1982 and afterward, when America allowed Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the help of the American 6th Fleet.

In these tough moments, many things raged inside me that are hard to describe, but they resulted in a strong feeling against injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.

While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents. We have a long experience with them. Both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed.

This resemblance became clear in Bush the father's visits to the region. ... He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation's money with no supervision.

He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the [Mideast] region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

We had agreed with the general emir Mohammed Atta, God bless his soul, to carry out all operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed. It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces will leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone.

It appeared to him that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands. Any state that does not mess with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security.

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stealing of the founding fathers??!?!

2004-10-30T23:31:25Z

Its not unpatriotic to resist the war
Its not unpatriotic to disagree with the president
Its not unpatriotic to disagree with Rush, Sean or Anne Colter....
Its american to have a tribe and discuss these things out and to disagree
does not mean....anyone is a traitor or loves their country any less than most conservatives i have met who seem to think they have the hold on all that is right with our country and some kind of hold on the memory and work of our countrys founding fathers!!
on the eve of this important election......
"for having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinons even on important subjects,which i once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older i grow, the more apt i am to doubt my own judgement, and to pay more respect to the judgement of others. most men indeed as well as most sects in religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that whatever others differ from them it is so far error.....but though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain french lady, who in dispute with her sister, said "I don't know how it happens sisiter, but i meet with nobody but myself, that's always in the right"
Benjamin franklin
just before signing the Constitution

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Helpline West LA : : :

2004-10-26T17:40:42Z

Just moved to Los Angeles to attend UCLA. This campus is something else. I thought I'd be going to Berkeley until I got in here, and seeing the political climate on campus, I'm grateful that I'm not at Cal. There is some good work being done on the UCLA campus, but it's largely behind the scenes at this point. Conservative Cluture week is coming up, and we'll see how that goes...

Anyone in here in the West LA area??

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October Surprise

2004-10-26T01:56:46Z

A column from a fledgling Libertarian web site dedicated to California news, politics, culture, and lifestyle. (www.battlecry-ca.com)

Best wishes,
Mike Forbes

The phrase "October Surprise" was invented on Oct. 2, 1980 by George H. Bush at a campaign appearance in Eugene, Ore. Mr. Bush warned that President Carter might engineer an event that would change the way the electorate viewed the national race because, "When you are a president, you have an ability to shape things to some degree.” 

Whether there will be an October Surprise in 2004 remains to be seen. We may even see a November 1st Surprise. Or a 2nd of November Surprise. Or we may see an October Surprise not engineered by the President. 

If an October Surprise were to occur, what manifestation is it likely to take? Might it be the announcement that Osama bin Laden has been captured? 

Earlier in the year, both left and right-wing ideologues claimed that the U.S. military already had Osama bin Laden on ice, ready to be produced. 

Putting that nonsense aside, what are the chances Osama will be taken between now and the election? 

The C.I.A. believes bin Laden is in a mountainous area north of the Pakistani city of Quetta. The region is populated with bin Laden supporters and the terrorist leader is estimated to have 50 bodyguards with him at all times. bin Laden and his men sleep in caves. The area is subject to snow storms sweeping 10,000ft-high mountains and buffeted by high winds. There are no roads and donkeys are the preferred mode of transport. 

This makes conventional assault- surrounding the area and methodically searching for the terrorist- impossible. The plan to capture bin Laden would depend on a swift, surgical operation. Special Forces troops in Afghanistan await intelligence about bin Laden’s location and the order to snatch him. 

Capturing bin Laden would seal the election for Bush. The only problem is no one in the U.S. military knows where to find The World’s Most Wanted Man. 

The U.S. hasn’t been able to locate bin Laden since 9/11. Let some simple, extremely unscientific numbers set the odds for bin Laden’s capture between now and the election- 160 weeks since the W.T.C. Bombings without useable intelligence : 1 week remaining before the election. 

The far more likely October Surprise is that Al Qaeda will employ the Madrid Strategy, so named for the March 11, 2004 commuter train bombings in Spain that killed 191 people, to turn voters against President Bush. 

The Madrid Strategy seeks to pick away at the coalition until it is reduced until only the U.S. remains. The bombings in Spain were clearly intended to coincide with that country’s election season. Al Qaeda’s hopes of turning middle-of-the-road voters against supporting U.S. efforts to stabilize Iraq were realized. The terrorists, heartened by success in Spain, will try their best to strike where Americans will feel it most. 

Battle Cry doesn’t shy from making predictions and so far we’re 2-0, but we can’t employ that kind of a hot streak in an arena that deals with domestic terrorism. Instead, Battle Cry will set the odds. 

Odds on a domestic terrorist attack before Election Day… 1 : 1. 

And if terrorists succeed in killing Americans at home? 

Bush would be victorious. 

There is little doubt that the Bush Administration, though hamstrung by the lumbering nature of all bureaucracies, has done its best to protect Americans at home and no patriotic American could ever believe that an American leader of either party would allow an attack to occur for political gain. 

Americans aren’t appeasers. Blood on American soil would put even “safe” states like California back into contention. 

(www.battlecry-ca.com)

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Got blog?

2004-10-23T02:15:27Z

join http://blogsforbush.com/blogroll.html

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Come write for Battle Cry

2004-10-23T02:15:13Z

Battle Cry (www.BattleCry-CA.com) is an electronic periodical dedicated to articulating, shaping, and promulgating the ideas that will secure liberty and prosperity for the inhabitants of California.

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We give equal space to all qualified viewpoints. Our philosophy is built around respect. We are looking for intelligent activists and writers to join our team. Here is our code:
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posted in Young Conservatives - 0 replies

What is up with The Conservative Point tribe??

2004-09-14T22:49:02Z

The Conservative Point tribe is suppose to be for Conservatives to talk but it seems like a Liberal trap to ambush Conservatives.

At the moment, I'm attacked by someone named Jean Luc and a dyke (her description) named mlove. There main agenda seems to be to take over the institution of marriage for gays. . . strange because they show no real respect for the institution or any other in our society.

Has anyone else had experience with this group?

posted in Young Conservatives - 9 replies

Bobo is a Fake

2004-08-14T21:14:09Z

This conservative makes a mockery of conservatism and you wonder why people in general dislike or distrust conservatives.

See what was posted in "Loving your country" By Tribe member Francesca, in The Conservative Point tribe.

August 14, 2004 - 01:08 PM
Re: loving our country

Just in case you missed it in another thread, this individual "Bobo" is using my photo and some of my personality traits for a lame-ass alt. Say "tootle-oo" to your credibility, Bobo!

Whats up with that?!

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." - Proverbs 6:16-19

Let alone the 8th commandment - Thou shalt not steal.

Uh, Conservative? Values?

Report Bobo to the Tribe.net authorities and get that profile removed. I'm sure Bobo's profile has violated a few the Terms of Agreement on Tribe.net.

Thanks for the headsup.

posted in Young Conservatives - 0 replies

What do you think?

2004-08-09T21:02:12Z

Good Morning. I got this in an email today...I haven't done the research on it yet.., but I'm trusting there is some truth to this. Anyone see any errors?

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There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

Some claim we shouldn't have started this war, but what about the other wars...

FDR...

Led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...

Finished that war and started one in Korea,

North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost; an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...

Started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...

Turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost; an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...

Went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has...

Liberated two countries,

Crushed the Taliban,

Crippled al-Qaida,

Put nuclear inspectors in Libya,

Iran and North Korea

without firing a shot,

and captured a terrorist who slaughtered

300,000 of his own people.

The Dems complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida.

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What do you all think?

posted in Young Conservatives - 8 replies

A Proposal

2004-08-09T20:40:19Z

Republicans who wish to convince us that they are conservative are fond of saying that "taxes are our money" and they just want to give it back but then the amounts are almost a joke and they don't allow us to spend it the way we want.

Why do you suppose it has never occurred to them to let the citizens decide by providing a budget at tax time so you can specify where you want your money to go with legislation that would bind Congress to your choices?

I mean, if it's my money and I have to spend it on government, why does the Republican party and self-describe conservatives refuse to allow me to spend it on governmental programs as I see fit?!

posted in Young Conservatives - 4 replies

Newbie!

2004-08-09T18:22:43Z

Hey everyone, just wanted to say hi!

I'm conservative, listen to talk radio when I get the chance, and I want to take responsibility for myself and not make the government do it!

Luv Bush, hate people who think Iraq was a mistake; oppression anywhere is a threat to freedom everywhere.

Wassup? :P

posted in Young Conservatives - 15 replies

CASE STUDY: Gen. Franks - Kerry is "absolutely" qualified

2004-08-09T17:43:08Z

Clear, plain spoken honesty will win the conserative cause, and extremist rhetoric, hyperbole and personal deamonization of Americans will only besmirch and set back the conservative cause in the battle of ideas.

Retired Gen. Tommy Franks is an outstanding example of how one can be both a patriotic American while respecting fellow Americans and American institutions.

Every American, Conservative and Liberal, should study this fine example of how to conduct oneself.

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Retired Gen. Tommy Franks, producer of the early military successes in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq (news - web sites), said Sunday that criticism of John Kerry (news - web sites)'s war record is political hyperbole and Kerry
is "absolutely" qualified to be commander in chief.

A year into retirement, Franks also said he has not decided whether to endorse President Bush (news - web sites) for re-election. "I don't know yet. I'm leaning in that direction," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Franks, whose hometown is Midland, Texas — where the president and first lady Laura Bush grew up — has been making television appearances in recent days to publicize his just-published memoirs, "American Soldier."

"Do you think Senator Kerry is qualified to be commander in chief?" Franks was asked.

"Absolutely!" he said.

But like the criticism of Kerry, the retired general said the Democratic nominee's recent harsh words about the war plan Franks created in Afghanistan was motivated by politics and his failure to capture al-Qaida network leader Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

"I think a presidential election year is a marvelous thing. I think Senator Kerry is a patriot. And I think what ... what we're doing is, we're seeing an attempt to sort of draw the lines between the two parties in this country. And I wouldn't have it any other way," Franks said.

The characterization of Kerry as a coward and liar who did not earn the medals awarded him for his Vietnam service came in a television ad sponsored by a group that fashions calls itself Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Kerry was skipper of one of the small Mekong River boats and received the Silver Star and Bronze Star for valor and three Purple Hearts for wounds.

"I really work hard to stay away from hyperbole," Franks said. "People ask me all the time about `Fahrenheit 9/11' and then others will ask me about some equally vitriolic view at the end of the continuum on the conservative side."

"I believe that life really is someplace between the two," Franks said, "and so I am not a fan of hyperbole, whether it is for or against Senator Kerry or George W. Bush."

"Fahrenheit 9/11" is the anti-Bush film by documentary filmmaker Michael Moore.

Franks said he also has not decided whether he would want to speak at the Republican National Convention.

"I'm a fiercely independent kind of guy and rather proud of it," Franks said.

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