I am totally amused at the Bush followers. Especially amused at their ignorance and living in a state of denial.
Most of them don’t even know what the big picture is.
I'll give you some examples of what most Bush followers didn’t know or want to believe.
Besides this OOPS Cheney shooting, there is the OOPS no WMD's OOPS. There is the Bin Laden OOPS. there is the "Cant imagine people would fly planes into buildings." OOPS.
The Katrina OOPS. There is the Jack Abramoff OOPS and so on and so on.
There will be more OOPS to follow with this Cheney shooting. Say for example:
"White House Finds Humor in Hunting Mishap"
www.forbes.com/work/feeds...525155.html
OOPS.
The Jack Abramoff OOPS which by the way will be connected to the Enron OOPS, Harry Whittington connected to Jack Abramoff , Kenny Lay and Haliburton OOPS and so on.
Dont ask me for cites. It will be known shortly.
ok, now here's the total crack up Cheney's name is at the bottom of this wit a Quayle...........
www.newamericancentury.org/stat...s.htm
June 3, 1997
American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.
We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.
As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.
We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.
Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.
Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
Most of them don’t even know what the big picture is.
I'll give you some examples of what most Bush followers didn’t know or want to believe.
Besides this OOPS Cheney shooting, there is the OOPS no WMD's OOPS. There is the Bin Laden OOPS. there is the "Cant imagine people would fly planes into buildings." OOPS.
The Katrina OOPS. There is the Jack Abramoff OOPS and so on and so on.
There will be more OOPS to follow with this Cheney shooting. Say for example:
"White House Finds Humor in Hunting Mishap"
www.forbes.com/work/feeds...525155.html
OOPS.
The Jack Abramoff OOPS which by the way will be connected to the Enron OOPS, Harry Whittington connected to Jack Abramoff , Kenny Lay and Haliburton OOPS and so on.
Dont ask me for cites. It will be known shortly.
ok, now here's the total crack up Cheney's name is at the bottom of this wit a Quayle...........
www.newamericancentury.org/stat...s.htm
June 3, 1997
American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.
We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.
As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.
We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.
Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.
Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Fri, February 17, 2006 - 4:39 PMwhats really kind of sad all this, is realizing that the bottom line is conservatives are using LAZY logic. They've allowed themselves to become distracted and as apathetic in their thinking process as the people they despise. They dont follow through with their basis of ethic.. they/we're being caught up in the use of buzz words.
I feel that if the conservative ideology was really re-invigorated to a moving force in United States politics, economics, and culture.. well, we would have something, a damn good country, a damn good nation.. one that understood and respected its role in the international forums, one that took appropriate and responsibles stances on issues pertinant to the true American experiment. I think a vital voice is dying into the shadows...
its rare to meet someone who has really digested and objectively excercises conservative ideals.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sat, February 25, 2006 - 2:31 PMWhat about the Mary Jo Kopechne OOPS or the Ft. Marcy Park OOPS.
The democratic hit list is almost as huge as Ted Kennedy's giant purple vodka-filled head.
www.everwonder.com/david/suspicious.html
You commie libs don't even TRY to apply the same standards to the mass murdering f*cktards that you call party leaders.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sat, February 25, 2006 - 4:29 PMexcuse me mam, but you seemed to have taken my attacks as a personal threat - one. two- I missused my wording in trying to sperate myself from certain 'quasi'-conservatives from myself, you somehow percieved that as me identifying as a liberal. I was trying to reference a lack of BALLS in the conservative thought right now. Many are claiming to be conservatives, few are in line and in pursuit of the truist forms of American Philosophy.
Your defensive illogical response is prime example. You've stated nothing but bigotry. Now, if you have thought, thoughts of your own, and you can stand firm in conviction, lets hear it. But if youre gonna be an uniformed majority middleclass, codename "The American Public" shut your trap and go get listen to someone elses asinine politics on television. -
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sat, February 25, 2006 - 9:06 PMNot you zigo, I'm responding to the douche-nozzle DVDBurner trying to stir up controversy by inappropriately displaying his idiocy.
I agreed with you, zigo, until you tried critiquing my logic before mastering the proper use of thought, grammar, and spell check. -
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sat, February 25, 2006 - 9:56 PM1. f**ck spell check. Im not publishing documents for formal review here.
2. thats too bad then, that you were duped by my facade, when in fact it turns out Im an illogical shite with poor attention to detail. Guess you'll have to be more careful with your initial judgements in the future. And the manner in which you utilize thread semantics to communicate(just to keep it clear who exactly you are assaulting with lazy responses).
3. That would be quite a hypocracy to agree with me, when I was more or less agreeing with the initial post.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sun, February 26, 2006 - 2:04 PMMy my my,
It's pretty hot in here.
out of all that was posted I see that more attention was payed to spelling and OOP's more so than what was posted below it.
Amazing.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sun, February 26, 2006 - 2:40 PMwell, there are people who have a higher inclination towards defending their pre-determined political notions... as oppessed to objectively reasoning the contemporary world-situation against the original logic base that lead them to their proclaimed political identification.
That's everyone in my view, all political hot-heads, proclaimed liberals and conservatives alike- they make a stance, join an ideology, and then follow it around like a fascist marching band whereever it goes. Kind of sad sometimes, to watch the parade go by, waving with a smile and bitterly defensive of their choice to be in the march.
For that reason, I think in order to open effective dialogue and collaborative discussion towards mutually benifitial debate, you gotta work to activate their objective, reasoning, freedom-aspiring side rather than their emotionally defensive side. If we're not firmly grounded in our political stance with logic, fact, and sincere opinion.. then we erupt in volitile and base defense tactics to justify our place. Thus, myself and 'the snarler icon', had quite an exciting outburst of insecurity. -
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sun, February 26, 2006 - 2:42 PMnahar that is, not 'the snarler', I couldnt see her name in that window so I just.. you know, did some free association. -
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Sun, February 26, 2006 - 4:25 PMwell I do have to say that I really love the phrase "lazy logic".
I'm gonna use that one very often.
LOL!
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Mon, February 27, 2006 - 10:51 PM"Thus, myself and 'the snarler icon', had quite an exciting outburst of insecurity."
Speak for yourself. I'm 110% certain that I'm well founded in logic and fact. And I'm just as certain that you're an asshat.
zigo, you've done a lot of finger pointing without ever clearly stating your position on the issue. So don't go including me in your hasty over generalized opinion because you’re an emotionally charged cupcake who can’t help but fly off the handle.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Tue, February 28, 2006 - 7:09 AMNahar,
Maybe Im not making this clear. I'll have to spell this out, since you cant make leaps of concept:
Politicians and those around them drop like flies. Both sides of the game. Its standard operating procedure. Im not concerned with it. Burner's and your underlying dispute is two people trying to snap the other ideology out of its hypnotized acceptance and following of
currupt and insincere leaders.
The deathtolls of either cabinet are irrelevant bi-products of the political order, not bi-products of ideological fallacy.
My position on the issue: there are many who publically identify themselves as 'conservatives' who have become complacent and apathetic, not taking the time to develope their own grounded viewpoint on the matters at hand. A majority of conservatives leaders' actions are a far cry from condonable actions within true conservative logic.
Many conservatives, no longer actively concerned with actual ethic or restoring any sense of strength or standards of freedom to American society, culture, and political activity find themselves forced into simply defending their leaders, same with libs, both sides just mudsling while the puppets who proclaim allegiance to some forgotten ethical basis do their best to erode the foundations of the American Experiment.
The American public begins to refrain from intellegent dialogue and starts throwing around baseless generalities like " commie libs ", "f**ktard", "retard", "capitalist pigs", "asshat" and "good little marxist" because they are too cowardly to step into the intellegent dialogue space this economic/political body was mythologically founded as.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Tue, February 28, 2006 - 2:10 PM>>>>Speak for yourself. I'm 110% certain that I'm well founded in logic and fact. And I'm just as certain that you're an asshat.
zigo, you've done a lot of finger pointing without ever clearly stating your position on the issue. So don't go including me in your hasty over generalized opinion because you’re an emotionally charged cupcake who can’t help but fly off the handle.
So yes, fuck spell check and then condemn others for lazy posting, you retard. <<<<<<
Oh Baby! Out of all that was posted in the above quote, I still see nothing about PNAC.
In fact what I have just read from zigo, seems to be most astute the point of view.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Tue, February 28, 2006 - 2:52 PMId like to get the jump on best refining my statement. I beg to retract my statement about politicians "do[ing] their best to erode the foundations of the American Experiment"
it would be more acurately said that the "do their best to cover up the true extent of which they are eroding the foundations of the American Experiment."
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Fri, March 3, 2006 - 4:42 PMMust be tough and fustrating to not be able to make a point about what you know nothing about.
By the looks of it Nahar seems to have that bulging vein pulsating on their forehead.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 3:52 AMSo, Uuummmm,
Hows it goin?
LMFAO!
It's 2007.
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Re: something for this tribe because it's been quiet....
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 3:55 AM>>>>>You commie libs don't even TRY to apply the same standards to the mass murdering f*cktards that you call party leaders.
Why don't you go push your asinine politics on the uninformed minorities like good little Marxists. <<<<
Classic.
Ah yes, the good ol days huh? -
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ad hominem
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 11:50 AMI believe that your arguments would be better served without attacking our President.
Shame on you...
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